Curse

joeycarlos · Jul 21, 2008, 08:52 PM // 20:52

I'm planning on making an assassin my main character and farmer.

But since I have little experience with farming and shadow form, I just wanted to know how much of an effect the nerf had on the perma-form builds. Post-nerf, is it still better than most other builds in the meta these days? And if not, what are other alternatives that seem to be popular at the moment (from other classes, also)

Thanks!

jiggles · Jul 21, 2008, 08:53 PM // 20:53

It's still the most effective, the current build kills things with degen which is unaffected by the nerf.

CE Devilman · Jul 21, 2008, 09:35 PM // 21:35

just Chaos Planes...

10% green/e-tomes (HM)
40% runner

even the ecto farming build eats up U enegy

stick to U ..free 30days chest....conset...HM cave drops

SmokingHotImolation · Jul 21, 2008, 10:00 PM // 22:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by CE Devilman

just Chaos Planes...

10% green/e-tomes (HM)
40% runner

even the ecto farming build eats up U enegy

stick to U ..free 30days chest....conset...HM cave drops

What do you mean?

Eddie Frenzy Spam · Jul 21, 2008, 10:53 PM // 22:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by CE Devilman

just Chaos Planes...

10% green/e-tomes (HM)
40% runner

even the ecto farming build eats up U enegy

stick to U ..free 30days chest....conset...HM cave drops

ACID OWNZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

joshuarodger · Jul 21, 2008, 10:58 PM // 22:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by CE Devilman

just Chaos Planes...

10% green/e-tomes (HM)
40% runner

even the ecto farming build eats up U enegy

stick to U ..free 30days chest....conset...HM cave drops

ummm... could you put this in english please.

romeus petrus · Jul 21, 2008, 11:08 PM // 23:08

PermaSF sins are currently the most effective method of farming ectos in the game. The nerf did nothing really to affect thr farm as players are able to do the chaos plain run now faster than before. The claim that the "nerf" did what it was supposed to do by "slowing down" the efficacy of SF in farming ectos is not true. It is true you kill less Riders and Mindblades after the update, but you do it faster. Hence the failure of the "nerf" in achieving its stated goal.

Tom Swift · Jul 21, 2008, 11:25 PM // 23:25

"Currently" is the key word.

While it is true that it did not slow down the chaos plains farming, it did do damage to some farming builds used in other locations.

The shadow dagger builds, for instance, were hit pretty hard - still possible to do in most of the old locations but much slower.

Basically, if you intend to use a degen build, it is as fast as before. The sliver armor build is almost as fast as it was before in those areas where you have a large number of melee things hitting you to trigger sliver. But, if you are planning to use a dagger build, you might want to look into other alternatives.

One other thing to keep in mind is that we don't know what ANet will do with SF or how soon. On the one hand, they may change it as soon as this week. On the other, since ectos seem to have stabilized at about 4k, they may decide to leave it alone for a while.

Overall - the perma sin is powerful but volatile and a bit limited in where they can farm (probably a good choice if you want to make a lot of money quickly but are not looking for long term usability). If you are looking only at farming, the monk builds are less powerful but more versatile and stable in the long run (might be a better choice if you are wanting to have the same character able to farm 6 months down the road).

Rhamia Darigaz · Jul 22, 2008, 12:48 AM // 00:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by CE Devilman

just Chaos Planes...

10% green/e-tomes (HM)
40% runner

even the ecto farming build eats up U enegy

stick to U ..free 30days chest....conset...HM cave drops

...

epic win.

Nibbit · Jul 22, 2008, 01:05 AM // 01:05

i heard SF was nerfed but i didnt do SF, i always do farming trolls outside droknars forge with my warrior. hes strong armor and steals health and i get 50-100g each time. The run takes 5 minutes so i make 600g- 2k an houre. with lots of cool drops too. That farm is an alternative,

PinkD · Jul 22, 2008, 01:14 AM // 01:14

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Originally Posted by Nibbit

i heard SF was nerfed but i didnt do SF, i always do farming trolls outside droknars forge with my warrior. hes strong armor and steals health and i get 50-100g each time. The run takes 5 minutes so i make 600g- 2k an houre. with lots of cool drops too. That farm is an alternative,

Darling...i did SF raptor farm own your farming :P gold, tome,junk for merchant making more than Drok farmer!

Nibbit · Jul 22, 2008, 01:19 AM // 01:19

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Originally Posted by PinkD

Darling...i did SF raptor farm own your farming :P gold, tome,junk for merchant making more than Drok farmer!

thnx for the tip. ill stop farming trolls from now on, and do raptor farm now. i just hope someone told me this earlier

EDIT: WOW OMG you were right i did raptors farm and got waaay more gold then before. Someone sayd i get a sword for elementalist drop gold too there! thnx for the tip. its outside Rata sum and i can buy my max armor fast if i do this. Maybe max armor for all my 3 charackters!

EDIT 2: Its was an elemental sword, not a sword for elemetalist. coulb be used on elementalist but thats not the name of the sword, the name of the sword is: Elemental sword.

Riceboi · Jul 22, 2008, 03:31 AM // 03:31

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Originally Posted by PinkD

Darling...i did SF raptor farm own your farming :P gold, tome,junk for merchant making more than Drok farmer!

Don't feed the trolls (no pun intended).

Sorn Xarann · Jul 22, 2008, 04:00 AM // 04:00

wait so the elemental sword is just for elementalists?

or it isnt?

Elite Bushido · Jul 22, 2008, 04:40 AM // 04:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nibbit

i heard SF was nerfed but i didnt do SF, i always do farming trolls outside droknars forge with my warrior. hes strong armor and steals health and i get 50-100g each time. The run takes 5 minutes so i make 600g- 2k an houre. with lots of cool drops too. That farm is an alternative,

2k an hour is just....

Bob Grunter · Jul 22, 2008, 06:04 AM // 06:04

the nerf really didnt affect the underworld farm at all, i have actually found the drop rate to be better when they die from degen

My Lipgloss is Cool · Jul 22, 2008, 06:56 AM // 06:56

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Originally Posted by Bob Grunter

the nerf really didnt affect the underworld farm at all, i have actually found the drop rate to be better when they die from degen

The nerf did effect the UW farm. It didn't make it impossible, but now you have to run a completely different, and slower, build against fewer ecto droppers.

spun ducky · Jul 22, 2008, 09:06 AM // 09:06

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

PermaSF sins are currently the most effective method of farming ectos in the game. The nerf did nothing really to affect thr farm as players are able to do the chaos plain run now faster than before. The claim that the "nerf" did what it was supposed to do by "slowing down" the efficacy of SF in farming ectos is not true. It is true you kill less Riders and Mindblades after the update, but you do it faster. Hence the failure of the "nerf" in achieving its stated goal.

I would say you have an extremely flawed outlook on the situation since farming slightly faster but half the mobs is in no way more efficient. I would say the nerf most certainly did what it was intended to do. I also want to point out the sin never was the fastest really. A terra tank was quicker although the greatest high light of the sin build was the ease given to bypass the bladed aaxte and grasping darkness. I also want to point out degen was most certainly not the fastest way to kill pre nerf.

MisterT69 · Jul 22, 2008, 04:55 PM // 16:55

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Originally Posted by My Lipgloss is Cool

The nerf did effect the UW farm. It didn't make it impossible, but now you have to run a completely different, and slower, build against fewer ecto droppers.

Not slower, just less enemies to kill unfortunately :/

N1ghtstalker · Jul 22, 2008, 04:59 PM // 16:59

the nerf killed every other build that used SF as elite